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#1 montesa

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 09:53 AM

Hi,
Seems the saga of my Matador 175R14 tyres continues. Now awaiting reply from Tyreline.
Interested that it seems Swift are removing posts on this subject from Swift Talk - wonder why ??
NB Please can all caravan owners still running Matadors put a large sticker on the back of their van stating 'Beware ! Matador tyres still fitted' so I can follow them at an extra safe distance on the motorway.

#2 TedNewman

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:42 AM

Well we have done well over ten thousand miles with our Airstream on tow and that has Matador tyres fitted and having done a "Winter" check just a couple of days ago I can see no problems with them - perhaps they are a different Matador -- Ole :)

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:05 PM

Just been reading a website where Conti, Michelin and BFG tyres/tires with manufacturing faults were subject to recalls. Seems even quality names have their problems.
Or perhaps the American litigation system makes manufacturers more aware of their responsibilties?

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 12:54 PM

SOME Matador tyres may have had manufacturing faults - but not ALL Matador tyres are faulty.

From what I've read I think under-inflation is the biggest cause of tyre blowouts.

If the OP will drive around with a very big, illuminated, sign on top of his vehicle saying 'I'm frightened of Matadors' then I might think about his suggestion.

Or perhaps not.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:26 AM

From what I've read I think under-inflation is the biggest cause of tyre blowouts.


Based on? Are you a tyre specialist? Or maybe you've collected all of the relevant figures and thoroughly researched the topic. Or perhaps are employed by Matador or Swift?

Mine were not amongst the recalled batch. Were not over or under inflared. Hadn't been driven at excessive speeds or for continually long distances. Had never hit anything. Were only 3 years old and had been removed and stored each winter between October and the middle of March. Were visually checked before every journey and every time I stop at services. All 3 wheels had been balanced.

However none of that prevented a visually perfect tyre delaminating like some cheap remould whilst overtaking two trucks on a French dual carriageway. It was only the fact that the tyre didn't immediately deflate and I was able to maintain control that prevented a, potentially, very serious accident

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#6 TedNewman

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:51 AM

There is no telling what can make a tyre delaminate! I am sure Air France looks after the tyres on its aircraft but look what happened to a Concorde when it hit a thin strip of metal. And that is a tyre that costs more than your outfit jimd!

You had a very unfortunate experience but I really do not see why that gives you the right to make the statement you do in your opening sentence accusing a person of some form of duplicity. :(

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 11:35 AM

You had a very unfortunate experience but I really do not see why that gives you the right to make the statement you do in your opening sentence accusing a person of some form of duplicity. :(



As he seems to be jumping so readily to the defence of Matador I'm simply asking on what scientific basis he is posting his statement.

The bit about being employed by Swift or Matador was 'tongue in cheek'......unless of course ;)

Since my experience I have looked a bit closer into this and there are reports on the various forums that suggest that there are more failures with Matador tyres than any other.

You have an expensive outfit Ted. It's running on 30 tyres. That is what Matadors cost. Fact! From my research.

Mine looked new. As long as you feel safe. I hope your confidence is justified

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 05:10 PM

You have an expensive outfit Ted. It's running on £30 tyres. That is what Matadors cost. Fact! From my research.



From Camskill website............. for a 185 x 14 8PR tyre
MATADOR TYRES / VAN / MATADOR MPS320 MAXILLA MATADOR MPS 320 - 185/80R14C 102R TL
Stock Available for Next Working Day Dispatch (ex.Sat/Sun) if ordered before 4:00pm (Mon-Fri) OUR PRICE £37.00 inc.VA

And their most expensive

CONTINENTAL TYRES / VAN / CONTINENTAL VANCO 2 CONTI VANCO2 - 185R14C 102Q TL
Stock Available for Next Working Day Dispatch (ex.Sat/Sun) if ordered before 4:00pm (Mon-Fri) OUR PRICE £58.00 inc.VAT



Edited by beejay, 15 December 2010 - 05:12 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2010 - 04:48 PM

From Camskill website............. for a 185 x 14 8PR tyre
MATADOR TYRES / VAN / MATADOR MPS320 MAXILLA MATADOR MPS 320 - 185/80R14C 102R TL
Stock Available for Next Working Day Dispatch (ex.Sat/Sun) if ordered before 4:00pm (Mon-Fri) OUR PRICE 37.00 inc.VA

And their most expensive

CONTINENTAL TYRES / VAN / CONTINENTAL VANCO 2 CONTI VANCO2 - 185R14C 102Q TL
Stock Available for Next Working Day Dispatch (ex.Sat/Sun) if ordered before 4:00pm (Mon-Fri) OUR PRICE 58.00 inc.VAT




And I for one know which tyre I would be fitting!

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:54 PM

And I for one know which tyre I would be fitting!


Hallo bigjimmy,

Off thread, but recently I bought a TPMS set. On weighing the sensors they were 45 grams each.
As TPMS is an mandatory O.E. fitment in the U.S. and soon to be so in the E.U. these sensors would seem to be at odds with your theory of rotating mass.

I returned the set as the manufacturing date code indicated February 2002. Containing nearly nine year old integral batteries it seemed a bit too much to me. (but they are unused I was informed !)

Edited by beejay, 18 December 2010 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2010 - 05:10 PM

From Camskill website............. for a 185 x 14 8PR tyre
MATADOR TYRES / VAN / MATADOR MPS320 MAXILLA MATADOR MPS 320 - 185/80R14C 102R TL
Stock Available for Next Working Day Dispatch (ex.Sat/Sun) if ordered before 4:00pm (Mon-Fri) OUR PRICE 37.00 inc.VA

And their most expensive

CONTINENTAL TYRES / VAN / CONTINENTAL VANCO 2 CONTI VANCO2 - 185R14C 102Q TL
Stock Available for Next Working Day Dispatch (ex.Sat/Sun) if ordered before 4:00pm (Mon-Fri) OUR PRICE 58.00 inc.VAT




Wrong sorry:-


MATADOR MAXILLA MPS320 (205 65 16 107/105T - Commercial Tyre)
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The Matador Maxilla MPS320 is designed for commercial vehicles and vans. Matador MPS320 offers excellent directional stability and high levels of driving comfort. It delivers low noise emissions and good traction on all road surfaces. The Matador van tyre range also gives excellent mileage and durability.

In stock 1-3 days for delivery mainland UK

59.17 (inc vat)

Tyre WidthTyre ProfileTyre SizeSpeed RatingBrand2056516TMatador



59.17 (inc vat)

As I said there are different types of Matadors :)



#12 TedNewman

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 05:47 PM

Just noticed they quoted on a 16 inch rim when ours in fact is a 15 inch - don't suppose there will be much difference in price though.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 07:43 PM

Hallo bigjimmy,

Off thread, but recently I bought a TPMS set. On weighing the sensors they were 45 grams each.
As TPMS is an mandatory O.E. fitment in the U.S. and soon to be so in the E.U. these sensors would seem to be at odds with your theory of rotating mass.

I returned the set as the manufacturing date code indicated February 2002. Containing nearly nine year old integral batteries it seemed a bit too much to me. (but they are unused I was informed !)

Do the upcoming EC regulations specify which type of TPMS must be fitted to cars? Some existing systems work by computing differences in rotational speed measured from the ABS sensors so don't have any wheel fitments - will that meet the new regulations?

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 09:50 PM

Just noticed they quoted on a 16 inch rim when ours in fact is a 15 inch - don't suppose there will be much difference in price though.


I wish, depending on model, 16-17-18 inch tyres for the humble Mondeo, 90, 140 and 190 for the 18" low profiles...guess which I have :angry:

All depends on how popular that size tyre is.

I know Matador are far from the best quality, but, at one time just about every manufacturer was using them.
I wonder then in percentage terms how many actually failed and then purely down to the tyre and not for whatever other reason?

What I would say is and certainly practice, buy a mid range tyre, don't waste money buying the best. The difference is magic compounds for mega road holding on cars, to say nothing of quite running, so little if anything to do with use on a trailer!

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 01:54 PM

Just noticed they quoted on a 16 inch rim when ours in fact is a 15 inch - don't suppose there will be much difference in price though.


And it's a 205/65 x 16 which is, almost certainly, a dearer tyre.

Few manufacturers will have differing construction for any given size of van/commercial tyre. There may be a road tread and M&S version but no price difference.




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