Watson(JohnG) Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Has anyone had aircon fitted to the roof of a Mistral or othe Crusader The internal roof trim seems an obstacle Edited August 18, 2017 by Watson(JohnG) BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Has anyone had aircon fitted to the roof of a Mistral or othe Crusader The internal roof trim seems an obstacle What year Crusader? If a 2018, the roof trim needs to be changed at the factory at a cost of £200 and is done at time of ordering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 Thanks for the reply It's 2017 BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Thanks for the reply It's 2017 Same applies to the 2017. Very strange as Elddis market an air con for the caravan as an option but do not mention the additional £200 to change the surround to fit the new surround. BTW when the air con is fitted apparently there are two holes left either side of the air con which need to be covered up. I think they use a strip across the ceiling to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 Thanks for that The dealer either didn't know or "say no more" The air con can stay on the trade in and possibly I could fit an under bed unit for next summer BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 Do you know how the ceiling piece is fitted ? There are no apparent screws BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Do you know how the ceiling piece is fitted ? There are no apparent screws The new surround fits into the same screw holes as the old one but as it is shorter, tow screw holes are visible. They then use ceiling strips to hide the holes and they run from the side of the caravan to the air con surround and match up with the other ceiling strips. We are paying the £200 and transferring our Dometic air con across as it is just over 2 years old so still quite new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 Thanks My Dometic is 7 years old so I am thinking leave it on the trade in and possibly fit an under bed unit later It's been on 3 caravans already and grandsons are trained in removal and fitting!! BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Thanks My Dometic is 7 years old so I am thinking leave it on the trade in and possibly fit an under bed unit later It's been on 3 caravans already and grandsons are trained in removal and fitting!! The biggest issue with under bed is the ducting as no ducting on a caravan with an ALDE heating system. IMHO the cold air does not rise so cold feet and warm head. With an overhead unit, the cold air falls down cooling the warm air which then rises to recirculate and cool down further. I doubt if you can transfer an under bed unit once it has been fitted and if you could, the ducting will need to remain and may affect the trade in value of the caravan. The payload on that caravan is only 153kg so once you add on the air con(32kg) plus ducting(?kg) and also the motor mover (32kg) you are left with less than 90kg payload. We did look at this option a couple of caravans back, but then decided against it. Hope this helps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the observations We have asked for the weight update but the dealer didn't know how much increase that would give ! If the air con on the roof has to be factory fitted and our caravan is complete and at the dealer it would seem that the only option is under bed or to use a portable unit which we already have The Dometic under bed unit is listed as 21 kg plus ducting but otherwise your points on distribution are ones we have considered but much appreciate your input Edited August 19, 2017 by Watson(JohnG) BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the observations We have asked for the weight update but the dealer didn't know how much increase that would give ! If the air con on the roof has to be factory fitted and our caravan is complete and at the dealer it would seem that the only option is under bed or to use a portable unit which we already have The Dometic under bed unit is listed as 21 kg plus ducting but otherwise your points on distribution are ones we have considered but much appreciate your input TBH I think you need to find another dealer if they do not know the answers as all the information is on the Elddis website. The Mistral cannot be upgraded as the maximum MTPM is 1550kg or maximum payload of 153kg minus the weight of the motor mover and air con. So very small payload after those are added on. Download the brochures HERE for the full spec. Maybe the Storm is a better option if you want that layout? Edited August 20, 2017 by Durbanite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thanks We have the brochure but it doesn't tell what the weight upgrade is just that it can be up or down graded FOC The dealer has the van in stock and deposit is paid BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thanks We have the brochure but it doesn't tell what the weight upgrade is just that it can be up or down graded FOC The dealer has the van in stock and deposit is paid The Mistral cannot be upgraded as per the brochure in the price list as per the link I gave you which is why I suggested the Storm. Elddis-Tourers-Price-List-2018-1. pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thank you for the information The loading allowance for the Mistral is the same as our present Challenger 580 so will have to take care with loading BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thank you for the information The loading allowance for the Mistral is the same as our present Challenger 580 so will have to take care with loading Good luck John whatever you decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thanks Appreciate your input BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 We received a recorded letter at the dealers with an upgraded weight plate that as expected was exactly the same as the one on the new van !! BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 We received a recorded letter at the dealers with an upgraded weight plate that as expected was exactly the same as the one on the new van !! You kidding surely? Why did they bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 You kidding surely? Why did they bother? Jobsworth BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Jobsworth Are you still going to get the air con fitted? Have you consider purchasing a roof box to carry some of the stuff from the caravan in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just thinking again about air con and wondering if anyone has had it fitted to the Mistral recently BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durbanite Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Have you thought of acquiring a roof box for the car to carry caravan stuff in so that the caravan stays within the MTPLM? We have done this even though our payload is a lot higher than yours. I think a miserly 153kg payload for any caravan is too low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 We have room to spare in the X3 boot as we no longer take bikes The air awning chairs etc go in the car Thanks for the reply BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 I enquired at NEC show today about fitting roof air con to the Mistral and the Elddis technical support person confirmed the unit would have to have a replacement interior roof trim at £200 and also said that it was not permissible to fit a roof mounting unless it was done to a factory reinforced roof Glad that we had left the Dometic unit on the trade in! BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson(JohnG) Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just revisited the Aircon consideration and with Leisure Shop 10% New Year discount purchased the Truma Saphir Comfort and fitted it myself following Truma excellent instructions and template It weighs 23kg so not much heavier than the portable unit we used last year One high level outlet via the wardrobe and 2 low level ones from fixed bed base Much quieter than the roof Dometic and has reduced fan speed sleep setting BMW X3 X Drive and Swift Challenger 580SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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