Halohodge Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Travelling up the M5 today in dreadful driving condition with van on back back, heavy rain and spray along the elevated section south of Avonmouth, overhead gantry flashing to reduce speed, incidence ahead, shredded tyre in middle lane and just a bit further on a caravan on hard shoulder with no offside tyre, no sign of Police, they were very lucky, no tyre left at all on rim, pleased I have Tyron bands fitted. Makes you think. Quote Swift Fairway pulled by a Ford Mondeo 2. 0 Business Edition 5 door hatchback Adventure before Dementia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggiePerrin Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Travelling up the M5 today in dreadful driving condition with van on back back, heavy rain and spray along the elevated section south of Avonmouth, overhead gantry flashing to reduce speed, incidence ahead, shredded tyre in middle lane and just a bit further on a caravan on hard shoulder with no offside tyre, no sign of Police, they were very lucky, no tyre left at all on rim, pleased I have Tyron bands fitted. Makes you think. Do you know that the incident caravan didn't have Tyron bands? That the tyre didn't suffer a catastrophic deflation rather than an unnoticed puncture that caused a slower deflation and subsequent shredding? Was it such that the spare wheel couldn't be fitted and the journey continued? One suspects the outcome may have been more or less the same with or without Tyron bands - a caravan on the hard shoulder needing its spare wheel fitting but as long as there was no injury caused to anybody, that is the main thing. Edited May 17, 2017 by happynomad 2 Quote This post is not intended to suggest you are pedantic or that you shouldn't ever post again. It is not retaliatory in its intent and I apologise for any offence it may give rise to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie106 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 A lucky escape or someone skilled at towing with a well matched outfit who new not to panic & got both car & van to the relative safety of the hard shoulder. Always another way of looking at things. Glad it appears no one was injured. Quote I refer you to the Rt Hon Member for the 19th Century.....................pictured just to the left of your screen.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_B Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Its not easy to notice a slowly deflating tyre, the first thing you notice is that you have to drop a gear as the car seems to be struggling, those who use mirrors could notice the caravan on a tilt or smoke from the tyre but smokes unlikely with all the water and spray yesterday. Even with Tyron's you will have a shredded tyre and then no tyre if you don't stop when you have a deflation, makes you think about pressure monitors dunit A catastrophic deflation gives a much better indication and would or rather should give an immediate notification, I've had a slow deflation and I had to rely on a bread van to let me know the caravan tyre was flat Now if I have to drop a gear more than normal or if it tows or feels different I look in the interior rear-view mirror to see if the caravan is running level as well as looking in the side ones for smoke from the caravan tyres. Quote Paul B . .......Mondeo Estate & Elddis Avanté 505 (Tobago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCP1959 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Travelling up the M5 today in dreadful driving condition with van on back back, heavy rain and spray along the elevated section south of Avonmouth, overhead gantry flashing to reduce speed, incidence ahead, shredded tyre in middle lane and just a bit further on a caravan on hard shoulder with no offside tyre, no sign of Police, they were very lucky, no tyre left at all on rim, pleased I have Tyron bands fitted. Makes you think. This is exactly why I've installed a Tyre Pressure Monitoring System on my caravan. I got a very large nail in the tyre on my Sportage when I had it. The OE TPMS pinged straight away and I was able to get to a local tyre depot before it went flat. A tyre blowout occurs over time. If a tyre develops a small leak the tyre starts to deflate and the sidewalls flex more. This flexing causes friction and an increase in temperature. This increase in temepature causes the remaining air in the tyre to expand and this cycle continues until the temperature of the tyre gets so high that it literally melts to put it simply, followed by a catastrophic failure or blow-out. There are loads of TPMS available. I chose the Tyre-Pal TC215B with two sensosrs for my Coachman and have found no need for the signal booster. Regarding the lack of a police presence. I used to patrol the M6 and M54 motorways in the late 80's and 90's before the traffic department I worked for was replaced by GATSO cameras, mobile speed detection vans and the civilian Highways Agency Traffic Officers. Back then we could field at least 5 double crewed patrol cars on our patch which comprised the M6 between junction 10 and 16 and the M54 between Junction 10a and 3. Our priority was to keep the motorways open and running. These days you'll be lucky to find 5 police patrols on the whole of the Midlands motorway network covered by the CMPG which comprises M6, M54, M5 and M42. You'll probably be even more shocked to find how few police officers are actually patrolling your local town or major city! I would guess at between 80-100% fewer than what you'd like to think. Crime is falling so the government tells us and driving standards have never been better. ....LOL! 2 Quote 2016 Coachman VIP 575/4: 2018 Kia Sorento GT Line S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) Just purchased a TyrePal TC215/B 4 sensor, works well. Thought about another 4 sensors for the Discovery, it already has pressure sensors but not temperature. Even more for my wife to keep her eye on. Edit: Also no signal booster required. Edited May 18, 2017 by Griff Quote Living the dream, well more of a nightmare if the truth be known ~ Griff Wheels at the front ~ Discovery 4 Towing Machine Wheels at the back ~ 4 of ‘em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkaye Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Its not easy to notice a slowly deflating tyre, the first thing you notice is that you have to drop a gear as the car seems to be struggling, those who use mirrors could notice the caravan on a tilt or smoke from the tyre but smokes unlikely with all the water and spray yesterday. . .. Now if I have to drop a gear more than normal or if it tows or feels different I look in the interior rear-view mirror to see if the caravan is running level as well as looking in the side ones for smoke from the caravan tyres. A thumbs up for the now defunct Lambilevel - the giant spirit level that I can see in the caravan's front window via the car's interior mirror. I hope I could tell if a tyre is deflated on the move by the angle of the caravan. 1 Quote hawkaye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl1 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) . ...I had to rely on a bread van to let me know the caravan tyre was flat . A thumbs up for the now defunct Lambilevel - . I have now purchased a bread van (ex-Mothers Pride Bedford CM) and my wife follows me in it whenever I am towing. Edited May 18, 2017 by Carl1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandR Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Our last puncture on M42 resulted in shredded tyre and damage to the floor and waste pipes etc. We had Tyron bands but I don't have a clue if this made things better or worse. .. Quote Spanish Trip 2020 - - Time to bailout... Subscribe to our Blog at the website below and read the diaries of many of our expeditions. Caravan Ramblings blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill bec Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 We have had puncture control fitted to are caravan tyres tyre monitors on car STD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halohodge Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) I would just like to say that they where very lucky because of the location, weather appalling, heavy traffic, nearly a worse case scenario. You couldn't if you wanted to change the tyre as it was the offside and very close to the carriageway. It would be nice if they are a members of this forum and get his or her comments on the incident, we could all learn from it. Edited May 19, 2017 by Halohodge Quote Swift Fairway pulled by a Ford Mondeo 2. 0 Business Edition 5 door hatchback Adventure before Dementia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 38 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 You say it was on the hard shoulder but I'm finding more and more motorways do not have them. If it is a so called Smart motorway if one ends up in the inside lane in this situation is the lane closed immediately behind you? Quote Regards, David Peugeot 308 GT Premium, 1.5 diesel 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTee Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 You say it was on the hard shoulder but I'm finding more and more motorways do not have them. If it is a so called Smart motorway if one ends up in the inside lane in this situation is the lane closed immediately behind you? Yes. More details on Smart motorways here. I regularly drive on Smart motorways where I see many not so Smart motorists driving in lanes marked, on the overhead gantry signs, with an illuminated Red Cross. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggiePerrin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I would just like to say that they where very lucky because of the location, weather appalling, heavy traffic, nearly a worse case scenario. You couldn't if you wanted to change the tyre as it was the offside and very close to the carriageway. It would be nice if they are a members of this forum and get his or her comments on the incident, we could all learn from it. Did you see the event as it occurred or just see the 'stricken' outfit on the hard shoulder as you drove past? Could it perhaps have been a very controlled and safe exit from the running lanes onto the hard shoulder? Quote This post is not intended to suggest you are pedantic or that you shouldn't ever post again. It is not retaliatory in its intent and I apologise for any offence it may give rise to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towtug Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I have never seen any test evidence for Tyron bands. I have asked for it but they didn't even respond. If anyone has any or even a test report number I would be interested. The reason being that if a manufacturer asks to fit these to a Type approved vehicle, I would need to show this in the approval document. So far I have not been able to do that. 2 Quote If all else fails, follow the instructions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halohodge Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Did you see the event as it occurred or just see the 'stricken' outfit on the hard shoulder as you drove past? Could it perhaps have been a very controlled and safe exit from the running lanes onto the hard shoulder? No I didn't see the incident but it must have been scary for the reasons I have explained and yes it could have been controlled, does make you wonder what would have happened if its a smart motorway Quote Swift Fairway pulled by a Ford Mondeo 2. 0 Business Edition 5 door hatchback Adventure before Dementia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTee Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 No I didn't see the incident but it must have been scary for the reasons I have explained and yes it could have been controlled, does make you wonder what would have happened if its a smart motorway Had it been a Smart motorway the chances are before you arrived on scene there would have been automatic lane closures and advance warnings of vehicle and / or debris on carriageway, together with speed limits being applied. Highways England traffic officers will also be despatched to the incident and would get traffic moving within twenty minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR1 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I have never seen any test evidence for Tyron bands. I have asked for it but they didn't even respond. If anyone has any or even a test report number I would be interested. The reason being that if a manufacturer asks to fit these to a Type approved vehicle, I would need to show this in the approval document. So far I have not been able to do that. Do you fit Tyrone bands if you have alloy wheels, as they have, as far as I know, no central well for the tyre to slip into? Just wondered! 1 Quote 2019 Bailey Platinum (640) Phoenix from Chipping Sodbury caravans, towed by our 2017 my Discovery Sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 My previous caravan, a Bailey Senator Louisiana came fitted with Tyrons as a sales pitch. It had alloy wheels. Quote Living the dream, well more of a nightmare if the truth be known ~ Griff Wheels at the front ~ Discovery 4 Towing Machine Wheels at the back ~ 4 of ‘em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ern Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 "Do you fit Tyrone bands if you have alloy wheels, as they have, as far as I know, no central well for the tyre to slip into? Just wondered!" It is not true that alloy rims have no well for the tyre bead to slip into. All wheels have a well in the centre to enable the tyre bead to go into it enabling the tyre to be fitted and removed by pushing the bead to the centre and then passing the tyre over the opposite side of the wheel rim. Unfortunately the same sometimes happens when the tyre deflates and the bead slips to the centre and the tyre is flipped off the rim. these days rims have extra grooves for the beads to seat into, and this "helps" to keep the beads in place if deflation occurs. The groove was actually designed to assist with inflating the tubeless tyre, making the tourniquet redundant. If you watch a tyre being inflated for the first time you will hear the "pop" as air forces the bead over the ridge into the groove. it is now often referred to as the "safety groove". Whether the Tyron band is worthwhile is a debateable point. I have them on our caravan, and have always had them on caravans. If I had a choice today between spending the money on Tyron bands or TPMS, I would chose the latter. 1 Quote Ern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beejay Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I have never seen any test evidence for Tyron bands. I have asked for it but they didn't even respond. If anyone has any or even a test report number I would be interested. The reason being that if a manufacturer asks to fit these to a Type approved vehicle, I would need to show this in the approval document. So far I have not been able to do that. There is this sales video for Tyron https://www. youtube. com/watch?v=qKwjfWXGU4U The second half shows a very old video compilation including a caravan test (1985) and some from the States where Pierce seems to be the company involved. The are several versions of Tyron sales videos to be found. Tyron history here https://tyron. com/about/history/ Pierce website here http://www. tyron-usa. com/about-us/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie106 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 No I didn't see the incident but it must have been scary for the reasons I have explained and yes it could have been controlled, does make you wonder what would have happened if its a smart motorway We use the 'smart' section of the M25 - junctions 5 to 7 - quite regularly as it's quite near us & I've seen a couple of incidents as they happened - a tyre blow out on an hgv trailer as it was pulling out of clacket lane services & a shunt involving two vans. Both times on the nearside lane & both times that lane was shut down almost immediately. Traffic slowed both times but didn't stop. Neither time was in rush hours though. Quote I refer you to the Rt Hon Member for the 19th Century.....................pictured just to the left of your screen.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTee Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) We use the 'smart' section of the M25 - junctions 5 to 7 - quite regularly as it's quite near us & I've seen a couple of incidents as they happened - a tyre blow out on an hgv trailer as it was pulling out of clacket lane services & a shunt involving two vans. Both times on the nearside lane & both times that lane was shut down almost immediately. Traffic slowed both times but didn't stop. Neither time was in rush hours though. During the misnamed rush hour on Smart motorways neither collisions nor tyre blow outs escalate to anything more serious as speeds restrictions are often in force and generally obeyed. However, it can take slightly longer for overhead gantry signs to become operational in those circumstances. . Edited May 21, 2017 by DeeTee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevan Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 There is this sales video for Tyron https://www. youtube. com/watch?v=qKwjfWXGU4U The second half shows a very old video compilation including a caravan test (1985) and some from the States where Pierce seems to be the company involved. The are several versions of Tyron sales videos to be found. Tyron history here https://tyron. com/about/history/ Pierce website here http://www. tyron-usa. com/about-us/ As far as quality of evidence is concerned, "Sales videos" are as far from independent and reliable as you can get! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beejay Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 As far as quality of evidence is concerned, "Sales videos" are as far from independent and reliable as you can get! Hence sales video. Just thought it may interest some Tyron users who rely on the claims made. . I'm sure he has already viewed it, or similar, but it may be the best that Towtug is going to get although it's not exactly clear what that is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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