Ern Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I've been caravanning here in Germany since the mid 1990's and I've never heard of them. Tyres a maximum of 6 years old, thorough check of condition, pressure and wheel bolt tightness before every trip and I've never had a drama (I tow my van around 6000 miles a year).In fact it I think it would be illegal to fit them here as they are a 'modification' aren't "TuV zugelassen" and would need adding to the registration documentation. Exactly! Everything is "regulated" much more in Germany. I worked for a German engineering company so I have had many chuckles at the regulation regime in Germany. Here in good old Blighty we sometimes like to do some things another way, because we can. Tyron bands are a typical example. They were invented before the days of TPMS and used mainly on steel wheels at the time as there were few alloy wheels about. They were seen as a good safety enhancement and used not only on caravans, but ambulances and other vehicles where additional safety was considered desirable at the time. We have them on our caravan having transferred them from the last one which we had 7 years, and previously on another for a couple of years. Had they not been the correct size for the new caravan I would have scrapped them and invested in TPMS instead. I have shown a couple of tyre fitters how to strip and re-assemble them. I have a portable "spider" which I carry when travelling outside the UK. That John is because, like me, you're a Yorkshireman and we know what's what You can always tell a Yorkshire man, but you can't tell em out. 1 Quote Ern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNARF Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) That John is because, like me, you're a Yorkshireman and we know what's what Apologise for going off topic but I saw on the news that a Yorkshireman with 62 points on his licence is still driving!, He must know what's what as far as the judicial system is concerned! knarf Edited February 23, 2017 by KNARF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borussia 1900 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Exactly! Everything is "regulated" much more in Germany. I worked for a German engineering company so I have had many chuckles at the regulation regime in Germany. Here in good old Blighty we sometimes like to do some things another way, because we can. Tyron bands are a typical example. They were invented before the days of TPMS and used mainly on steel wheels at the time as there were few alloy wheels about. They were seen as a good safety enhancement and used not only on caravans, but ambulances and other vehicles where additional safety was considered desirable at the time. We have them on our caravan having transferred them from the last one which we had 7 years, and previously on another for a couple of years. Had they not been the correct size for the new caravan I would have scrapped them and invested in TPMS instead. I have shown a couple of tyre fitters how to strip and re-assemble them. I have a portable "spider" which I carry when travelling outside the UK. You can always tell a Yorkshire man, but you can't tell em out. You're not wrong Ern, Germans LOVE rules and regulations. .........................some days I could scream Quote 2015 3. 2 Auto Mitsubishi Pajero tugging a 2016 Tabbert Pucinni 2. 5e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNARF Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Norauto in France fit them for 150 euros. knarf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leedslad Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Apologise for going off topic but I saw on the news that a Yorkshireman with 62 points on his licence is still driving!, He must know what's what as far as the judicial system is concerned! knarf It's not me KNARF honest ! John. Quote Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does, he'll tell you. If he doesn't, why humiliate him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutz Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) Norauto in France fit them for 150 euros. knarf I wonder if they have actually sold any. There are shops that sell speed trap warning devices in countries where their use is illegal, but it's not illegal to sell them. Edited February 25, 2017 by Lutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNARF Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I wonder if they have actually sold any. There are shops that sell speed trap warning devices in countries where their use is illegal, but it's not illegal to sell them. Who knows? The fact is that they are available in France and Belgium. I can't believe they would bother to advertise them if they didn't generate sales from it,that defeats the object of advertising. The shops that sell speed trap warning devices are selling them where they are illegal, different to Tyron bands which aren't illegal! knarf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutz Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Who knows? The fact is that they are available in France and Belgium. I can't believe they would bother to advertise them if they didn't generate sales from it,that defeats the object of advertising. The shops that sell speed trap warning devices are selling them where they are illegal, different to Tyron bands which aren't illegal! knarf They would be illegal on a German registered car, but the shop might just count on the customer not knowing that or being so convinced of the claims made for the product that he is willing to take the risk and with a bit of luck, he might fall for it, so it could still be worth advertising. I don't know about France and Belgium, but it could be the same there, too. I've seen some rubbish advertised for sale in my time. Edited February 26, 2017 by Lutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNARF Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I can't see a company with over 300 depots bothering to sell an illegal product! knarf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despicable Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Exactly! Everything is "regulated" much more in Germany. I worked for a German engineering company so I have had many chuckles at the regulation regime in Germany. Here in good old Blighty we sometimes like to do some things another way, . ... Generally, everything is illegal in most (if not all) mainland European countries, unless it is made legal. In UK, everything is legal, unless it is made illegal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ern Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Generally, everything is illegal in most (if not all) mainland European countries, unless it is made legal. In UK, everything is legal, unless it is made illegal. I think this is an EU law as I remember their description of "entity, substance or matter" or something along those lines. As such it applies to the UK too (at the moment). Quote Ern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despicable Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 My tyre pal is switchable for van connected or not. A button push and the trailer disappears. Another button tap and it's back. Avoids all that bleeping. Thought they all did that. ? At last I've read through the instructions, Alan, and yes, by pressing Link + (-) the trailer disappears. By pressing Link + (+) the trailer reappears. Thank you very much, I feel like going for a 2 hour drive just to celebrate; well, maybe not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plodd Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 To remove a tyre from a rim it is necessary to drop the bead (the bit that contacts the true rim around the circumference) into the "well" that is formed in the centre of the rim. Without that we'll it's IMPOSSIBLE to remove an intact tyre from the rim. A Tyron band bridges that "well" so, if the tyre deflates AND the bead comes away from the wheel it cannot drop into the well and come off. This MAY enable you to maintain better control than if the tyre comes off the rim and the rim makes contact with the road surface (and often they dig into the surface. I have invested in TPS on the theory it will give me warning of an impending problem so I can take action BEFORE the doomsday scenario. Tyron bands cannot give any warning because they only come into play AFTER the tyre has failed. That does NOT mean they do not have a useful purpose to serve though. You pays your money and you takes your chances. Andy 2 Quote Experience is something you acquire after you have an urgent need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towtug Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 To remove a tyre from a rim it is necessary to drop the bead (the bit that contacts the true rim around the circumference) into the "well" that is formed in the centre of the rim. Without that we'll it's IMPOSSIBLE to remove an intact tyre from the rim. A Tyron band bridges that "well" so, if the tyre deflates AND the bead comes away from the wheel it cannot drop into the well and come off. This MAY enable you to maintain better control than if the tyre comes off the rim and the rim makes contact with the road surface (and often they dig into the surface. I have invested in TPS on the theory it will give me warning of an impending problem so I can take action BEFORE the doomsday scenario. Tyron bands cannot give any warning because they only come into play AFTER the tyre has failed. That does NOT mean they do not have a useful purpose to serve though. You pays your money and you takes your chances. Andy I would agree with this, TPMS is the preferred and regulated warning system for all vehicle tyre systems. It's purpose is to give advance warning, but it is only any use if an operator takes notice and executes a course of remedial action, all to often I here the words "I got a warning and I was going to do something about it " but never did. Incidentally Tyron make claims about testing but I've never seen a test specified, does anyone know what regulation or standard they have passed, I did write to them but never had a response. At the last show they told me it was a TUV test but they wern't able to tell me what. Quote If all else fails, follow the instructions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plodd Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) The clue of their purpose is in the name "Tyre On" As for a standard or regulation I would be very surprised if either exist for one very simple reason, there is only ONE product that (allegedly) does the job. The lack of any proof does make me somewhat suspicious, having said that I would certainly not try and dissuade anyone from installing them but I would suggest that a TPMS of some description is far more likely to pre-empt a tyre issue. (I accept there is always the "blow out" scenario, but they are MUCH rarer than gradual pressure loss incidents) The ideal solution would be TPMS AND Tyron's to cover just about every eventuality. Over the years I have dealt with more than a few caravans "falling over" many of the incidents have involved tyre failures and of those I have dealt with many (as in vast majority) showed clear signs of tyre failure due to excessive heat build up being the contributory cause and that heat build up doesn't happen in the space it takes to come to rest from 60 mph, it takes many miles of running severely under inflated (which TPMS is designed to give advanced warning of) I would finish by pointing out that ALL new cars must have TPMS installed, (and its malfunction is an MOT failure) but there is no similar requirement for Tyron or similar to be fitted. Enough said?? Having just replaced the tyres on my caravan I do wonder if some people merely look at the size and fail to take into account the load rating requirements! My 8 ply 102 load rated 185 x 14's cost a lot more than "standard" 185 x 14's Andy Edited April 11, 2017 by Mr Plodd Quote Experience is something you acquire after you have an urgent need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDave Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 And I have had rim contact with the road without serious consequences. In fact, I even had to negotiate a bend in the slip road in that condition before being able to come to a stop and by that time the wheel was even buckled. So what does your so-called proof tell us? I have not come across run flat tyres with a load index necessary for caravans. Perhaps the demand is just too small to make it worthwhile for the tyre companies to develop them. A twin axle is much the same weight of a saloon ? Not heard of run flats being fitted but interesting to know. Dave Quote Jeep Commander 3. 0 V6 CRD Isuzu D- Max Utah Auto Elddis Crusader Storm 2000 Kgs, Unipart Royal Atlas Mover . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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