Jaydug Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 a contributor demonstrates that it is possible to miss the advance warning signs. Sorry to contradict but IMO all it demonstrates is a lack of observation. How can anyone fail to see this, and even the second one:- 1 Quote Citroen C5-X7 Tourer+Avondale Rialto 480/2 https://jondogoescaravanning.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthdci Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I go to the yearly dog show at Helmsley at easter and it is part of the advertised schedule for people to use the alternate route. Personally since I am coming from Sunderland I take the 174 then go through stokesley and into Helmsley from the north, meaning I don't have to worry about Sutton Bank. Quote 2010 Lunar Delta Ti pulled by a 2017 Volvo XC90 D5 AWD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTee Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Sorry to contradict but IMO all it demonstrates is a lack of observation. How can anyone fail to see this, and even the second one:- I think he indicates that he was being observan, of his SatNav rather than of road signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDave Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Where does that say no caravans? Im not defending myself, just asking. Sign here street veiw . https://www. google. co. uk/maps/@54. 239851,-1. 207894,3a,75y,274. 54h,72. 64t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shttWvmPDDPWsfastDkK6-A!2e0 20 -25 % hills are common in areas of Nth Wales and parts of Cornwall so it does make the 12 % for setting towing limits a bit redundant ? Why I always like to work on 75 % of a towing limit Max to leave spare . Edited April 23, 2015 by CommanderDave Quote Jeep Commander 3. 0 V6 CRD Isuzu D- Max Utah Auto Elddis Crusader Storm 2000 Kgs, Unipart Royal Atlas Mover . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Grouse Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 It's quite possible to climb hills much steeper than 12% - if you keep going - the problem then arises if you're forced to a stop by traffic as you may not be able to restart. 1 Quote 2015 VW Touareg 3. 0 V6 TDI + 2013 Lunar Clubman ES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipbroker Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 Hi I was talking to the warden on the CC Rosedale site about a new arrival it transpired he went up Sutton Bank and down Chimney Bank no wonder hie brakes over heated. According to the warden this is not a rare occurance. Sandy Going down chimney bank is worse than sutton. ......the Tour de Yorkshire won't be doing it this coming month! Geoff Quote Kia Sorento KX-1 CRDI 4WD towing an Elddis Affinity 530 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6206greg Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'm out of this. I Dropped one big time, I hold my hands up I got it wrong. I don't think anybody would knowingly risk the well being of others, themselves, invalidate their insurances,etc. We are new at this caravanning lark and that's why I joined CT to learn . I was lucky, I know that, lesson learned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobelcokid Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'm out of this. I Dropped one big time, I hold my hands up I got it wrong. I don't think anybody would knowingly risk the well being of others, themselves, invalidate their insurances,etc. We are new at this caravanning lark and that's why I joined CT to learn . I was lucky, I know that, lesson learned. We never stop learning in life so don't worry and carry on and keep posting on this forum and enjoy the banter and everyone's mishaps . Ste Quote . ....One life, Don't waste it fixing LandRovers . Ford F350 SUPERDUTY Towing 640 Hobby @ 1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTee Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Sign here street veiw . https://www. google. co. uk/maps/@54. 239851,-1. 207894,3a,75y,274. 54h,72. 64t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shttWvmPDDPWsfastDkK6-A!2e0 20 -25 % hills are common in areas of Nth Wales and parts of Cornwall so it does make the 12 % for setting towing limits a bit redundant ? Why I always like to work on 75 % of a towing limit Max to leave spare . That view appears to be at the top of the Sutton Bank immediately before the descent. At that point anyone towing a caravan would have been able to turn round to avoid the descent in the car park and picnic area to the right of the photograph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Grouse Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'm out of this. I Dropped one big time, I hold my hands up I got it wrong. I don't think anybody would knowingly risk the well being of others, themselves, invalidate their insurances,etc. We are new at this caravanning lark and that's why I joined CT to learn . I was lucky, I know that, lesson learned. We've probably all learnt lessons by being lucky when it could have gone terribly wrong - as Kobelkid posted, learning is a lifelong process - no-one knows it all and no-one gets it right all the time. 1 Quote 2015 VW Touareg 3. 0 V6 TDI + 2013 Lunar Clubman ES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydug Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 If the prohibition notice is close to the visitors' centre at the top of Sutton Bank then there's another a mile or so back along the A170 warning that caravan are not allowed to proceed. Quote Citroen C5-X7 Tourer+Avondale Rialto 480/2 https://jondogoescaravanning.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTee Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 If the prohibition notice is close to the visitors' centre at the top of Sutton Bank then there's another a mile or so back along the A170 warning that caravan are not allowed to proceed. The contributor who admitted to missing the warning signs was travelling east to ascend Sutton Bank. The Streetview photograph is the West bound view just before the descent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyp Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Are caravans banned going both up and down Sutton Bank, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WispMan Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yes Quote Graham Unless otherwise stated all posts are my personal opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2 Tops Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 We'll need to get them made bigger - or ban caravanners from using car-only satnavs. It is quite a few years since we took our caravan to Yorkshire but, yes, I did avoid going up or down Sutton Bank with the van in tow. We didn't have a satnav then, but the maps and signs were good enough as far as I was concerned. I can't agree with the idea of banning caravanners from using "car only type satnavs"-it wouldn't necessarily be foolproof against the problem happening, and why should we all be forced to buy expensive satnavs simply because some drivers follow their satnavs like sheep to the slaughter? I did explore the Snooper which offers C. C. members a discount, but some adverse reviews put me off. When towing I pre-plan my route beforehand - such a ban would be the Nanny State at its worst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Grouse Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 It is quite a few years since we took our caravan to Yorkshire but, yes, I did avoid going up or down Sutton Bank with the van in tow. We didn't have a satnav then, but the maps and signs were good enough as far as I was concerned. I can't agree with the idea of banning caravanners from using "car only type satnavs"-it wouldn't necessarily be foolproof against the problem happening, and why should we all be forced to buy expensive satnavs simply because some drivers follow their satnavs like sheep to the slaughter? I did explore the Snooper which offers C. C. members a discount, but some adverse reviews put me off. When towing I pre-plan my route beforehand - such a ban would be the Nanny State at its worst. My comment on banning car-only satnavs was tongue-in-cheek - but how else do you stop people blindly following a device that's not appropriate for their outfit - given that they also ignore, or don't see, the big warning signs I guess we'll just have to accept numpties giving caravanners a bad name. Quote 2015 VW Touareg 3. 0 V6 TDI + 2013 Lunar Clubman ES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6206greg Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 My comment on banning car-only satnavs was tongue-in-cheek - but how else do you stop people blindly following a device that's not appropriate for their outfit - given that they also ignore, or don't see, the big warning signs I guess we'll just have to accept numpties giving caravanners a bad name. we must meet up somewhere, that would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Grouse Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 we must meet up somewhere, that would be nice. Those nice people at Highways England put the signs up for a purpose, usually more than one, and ALL drivers should give precedence to road signs with satnav instructions being secondary and over-ridden whenever necessary. I guess this needs to be added to learner-driver instruction and the driving test. You might think me unsympathetic - but when I've been a numptie I have to accept that and eat 'umble pie. Quote 2015 VW Touareg 3. 0 V6 TDI + 2013 Lunar Clubman ES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTee Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Are caravans banned going both up and down Sutton Bank, please? Yes. There are warning notices about Sutton Bank being unsuitable for HGVs and caravans being forbidden on many nearby and approach roads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipbroker Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 If the prohibition notice is close to the visitors' centre at the top of Sutton Bank then there's another a mile or so back along the A170 warning that caravan are not allowed to proceed. The first warning sign is by Duncombe Park just outside Helmsley and adjoining the Caravan Route which passes Golden Square Caravan site. ....so you have a couple of miles either side of the bank. geoff Quote Kia Sorento KX-1 CRDI 4WD towing an Elddis Affinity 530 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2 Tops Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 My comment on banning car-only satnavs was tongue-in-cheek - but how else do you stop people blindly following a device that's not appropriate for their outfit - given that they also ignore, or don't see, the big warning signs I guess we'll just have to accept numpties giving caravanners a bad name. That about sums it up. I don't think it is a case of a device (satnav) not being suitable for their outfit - more a case of some drivers not being suitable to use a satnav. Satnavs, in my opinion, should be treated as an addition aid, and never be trusted to be the sole or even primary guidance tool. Planned route and human brain is a far more reliable method to that of following an electronic device that can lose its way at any moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaEuropa Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I find that you can't always trust maps these days. Better to walk the route first too, just to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipbroker Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 I find that you can't always trust maps these days. Better to walk the route first too, just to be sure. OK for you fell runners. ..I can't even climb our stairs and I live in a bungalow! geoff 1 Quote Kia Sorento KX-1 CRDI 4WD towing an Elddis Affinity 530 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilner Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 My comment on banning car-only satnavs was tongue-in-cheek - but how else do you stop people blindly following a device that's not appropriate for their outfit - given that they also ignore, or don't see, the big warning signs I guess we'll just have to accept numpties giving caravanners a bad name. All satnav users should remember - It's an aid to navigation, not a substitute for intelligence. Stephen 3 Quote Olympus II 620-6 & Mitsubishi Shogun Follow us on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj202b Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 The bloke made a mistake, he admitted it, lets give him credit for that and all try to learn from it. Name calling does not help anyone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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