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Buccaneer Commodore 2017 review


Overall caravan rating

*****


Key information

  • Year of manufacture: 2017
  • Berth: 4
  • Single or twin axle: Twin axle
  • Type: Touring
  • MIRO (Mass In Running Order): 1880 kg

  • MTPLM (Maximum Technically Permissible Laden Mass): 2000 kg

  • Length: 8 m
  • Width: 2.4 m
  • Shower? Yes
  • Toilet? Yes

Caravan summary

What's good?

Styling, comfort, heating, layout, towing, hydraulic levelling.

What's bad?

Kitchen window blind cassette mounted off square.
Other than this nothing.

Would you recommend it?

Yes

Style & comfort *****

Do you like the way it looks?

It looks superb and a major step up from its predecessors. The extra space afforded by 8ft width is excellent.

Is it comfortable?

Very.

Ease of towing *****

Is it easy to tow?

Very stable with 120kg noseweight.

Reliability & water ingress *****

Anything to look out for?

Not yet.

Practicality *****

Does it meet your holiday needs?

It's heavy but it's brilliant as the layout works perfectly for us.

Any modifications?

Added Powrtouch AWD AUTO.

Buying experience *****

Did you buy it new or used?

new

Where did you buy it?

Franchised dealer

What was the seller like?

Dealer very helpful. 4th we have bought off him.

 

All opinions, facts and figures are those of the reviewer. Caravan Talk accepts no responsibility for accuracy of the content.



24 Comments

What do you tow the van with?

What do you tow the van with?


Discovery 4, 2010, so it's got two turbo's and sufficient weight to hold it down. Works well. 23mpg.

Discovery 4, 2010, so it's got two turbo's and sufficient weight to hold it down. Works well. 23mpg.


It's a big heavy van , the new disco 5 2ltr is a poor match . . the best match is the car you have . Looks like Land Rover have shot themselves in the foot by shedding 500kg .

It's a big heavy van , the new disco 5 2ltr is a poor match . . the best match is the car you have . Looks like Land Rover have shot themselves in the foot by shedding 500kg .

I tow with the 3 litre Disco 5. Certainly no shortage of power. Also adds more weight.

It's a big heavy van , the new disco 5 2ltr is a poor match . . the best match is the car you have . Looks like Land Rover have shot themselves in the foot by shedding 500kg .


Yep. I got invited to the D5 launch at Solihull and slavered at the beauty of the beast. It does also come with the 3ltr v6 and at about 2.2 tons I think.
They wanted feedback from the established ladder chassis fraternity. We gave it.
Can't stop progress eh?
There will be D4s available for as long as I need one. That'll do.

I tow with the 3 litre Disco 5. Certainly no shortage of power. Also adds more weight.


The 3 litre gets 5 green stars as does the D4 , the 2 litre gets 4.5 amber stars , not good. A lot of people will buy the D5 blindly thinking it's a disco it must be good.
  • Are the MPTLM and MIRO correct? 120Kg does seem little for user payload on a 2 berth.
Took it to the weighbridge after collection.
1910 with powrtouch awd fitted.
So allow 60 and van miro would be 1850
I had forgotten to multiply by 2 when adding mover sorry.
None the less we are light on payload.
Even plated to 2000 we only have 90 left
Hence Discovery volume is essential for awning etc.
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Did you have gas bottles and a battery in it when you weighed it?
A friend of mine got a D5 on a three day test drive as he had read that it was not great at towing.

He has many years of towing experience and was towing a small Carlight uphill on the motorway when it started to snake and his wife found she was feeling sick when running solo, it was returned and he bought one of the last remaining D4s.

Ian

Did you have gas bottles and a battery in it when you weighed it?


Yes. Battery as per factory fit. A Yuasa 115aH.
Two gas bottles. One full, one empty.
So the 1910kg was MIRO + mover.
Ok, here's the thing. Sitting here in the pouring rain the other day writing the review I was all about waxing lyrical about the van's positive qualities, not much bothered about re quoting tech details like weights, having to fill in those bits was a chore. Hence I guessed at the MIRO thinking it would be of little interest to folk. What a mistake to make! So I just retrieved the spreadsheet from the car.

Story so far above is correct and that takes us to about 1850kg. However we also had other supplied items in the van such as 2 diamond wheels locks and a wastemaster. I think if you subtract these you could be nearer the 18201g that Elddis quote.
Sorry for any confusion. Lesson well and truly learned. :-)

Good job I left the awning size box blank!
1821kg!

Ok, here's the thing. Sitting here in the pouring rain the other day writing the review I was all about waxing lyrical about the van's positive qualities, not much bothered about re quoting tech details like weights, having to fill in those bits was a chore. Hence I guessed at the MIRO thinking it would be of little interest to folk. What a mistake to make! So I just retrieved the spreadsheet from the car.
Story so far above is correct and that takes us to about 1850kg. However we also had other supplied items in the van such as 2 diamond wheels locks and a wastemaster. I think if you subtract these you could be nearer the 18201g that Elddis quote.
Sorry for any confusion. Lesson well and truly learned. :-)
Good job I left the awning size box blank!1821kg!


I thought that if the extras were factory supplied then they should be included in the miro? So presumably the wheel locks are part of the miro as is the battery correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they included with a Buccaneer rather than being an option? You are allowed 20kg (10 x 2) gas Imho The payload is poor and in the real world unrealistic, you shouldn't need to weigh every pair of underpants to get it to be within the mptlm. It really needs to up the axle load rating not unreasonable in a £32k van that needs a hefty tow vechicle in the first place. Just my opinion.

I thought that if the extras were factory supplied then they should be included in the miro? So presumably the wheel locks are part of the miro as is the battery correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they included with a Buccaneer rather than being an option? You are allowed 20kg (10 x 2) gas Imho The payload is poor and in the real world unrealistic, you shouldn't need to weigh every pair of underpants to get it to be within the mptlm. It really needs to up the axle load rating not unreasonable in a £32k van that needs a hefty tow vechicle in the first place. Just my opinion.

I confirmed the above with Elddis so you are correct.  We do not have an issue and we carry the porch awning in the caravan however we are close to the 2000kg MTPLM.

I refer the hon gentlemen to #9 by which I stick.
It was because of some confusion generated on this topic before that I took it to the weighbridge.
So its 1910kg rolling empty and you can take off 20kg as we keep the locks in the Landrover.
Hence we have approx 100kg payload which I agree is not much in this sort of van.

To further spare my blushes Pete260 PM'd me to correct the battery size to 95aH, not the 115aH I had quoted which was/is my spare battery. So I thought I'd share this in a further sackcloth and ashes moment. :-)

Finally I would reiterate that the point of my review was JUST to say:

THIS VAN IS TRULY EXCELLENT AND WE REALLY LOVE IT!
Considering ordering new one of these but would like to know rough size of the bathroom between sink and toilet and around sink purely for my medical reason.The nearest dealer hasn't this model in till Sept, thanks

Considering ordering new one of these but would like to know rough size of the bathroom between sink and toilet and around sink purely for my medical reason.The nearest dealer hasn't this model in till Sept, thanks


Hi Betty,

Beyond saying not much I can't give you a number immediately as the van is in a compound a few miles away. Unless someone beats me to it I'll do you a few floor plan measurements in the next few days.
Cheers,
Graham.
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Vanmaster Man
Jun 09 2017 11:50 am

I think everyone would agree that 100kg for a van like this isn't enough. They should have an option to increase the payload by stepping up to a different chassis/axle setup. I think any van should be at least 300kg to allow for normal holiday payload. Without the option you are forever filling the van from the car and then the car from the van if you're touring. 

This situation would drive me mad considering the van is going to be towed with empty cupboards. 100kg accounts for almost nothing.Why not offer the option of 2500kg chassis?

I tend to agree. I looked at said BPW chassis as the underpinings of an INOS with a slide out side. It looked very impressive. I think they have that with 500kg payload.

One could argue that this would encourage excess but whatever. It would limit the tow car still further as well with even the new D5 being "too" light.

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Vanmaster Man
Jun 09 2017 12:49 pm

The towing capacity of the D5 is 3500kg. As it is for the D4. I know a couple of people who tow at this limit pulling Ifor Williams horse boxes. They have no worries at all. The V6 3.0ltr diesel D5 comes in at 2335kg plus any extra kit that's fitted. I have no concerns towing up to the GTW of 6100KG. 

What I suggested regards the 2500 chassis is to make it an option. Then the buyer would have the choice knowing what the weight could go up to. He may want it plated at 2300 or 2200kg, it would add choice to what is dictated by Elddis at present. Without the upgrade as it stands, you'd have enough for a pair of tanga briefs and not much else. Do you have air con fitted? The Dometic Freshjet 2200 comes in at 32kg. 

Your remark regarding excess is actually less likely than if it remains as is. I would imagine it's very easy to exceed the margin as it stands but with another (up to) 500kg it would be easier to come within the limit.

This payload issue is why I didn't bother to keep my Swift Conqueror and didn't opt to purchase a Buccaneer. It's not a liveable or real life amount to carry.

I don't have aircon but do have the AWD mover at 60kg, leaving us about 100kg payload. Not much I agree.

 

My comment about the D5 was based upon the 85% guideline which a fully laden 2500 chassis would obviously exceed, notwithstanding personal choice as how much individual drivers are comfortable towing at. Its up to them.

By excess I did not mean exceeding the MTPLM, more overdoing it within the 500kg payload, just because you can.

 

We carry 2 electric bikes, an Isabella Universal 420 awning , a Cadac, mobicool unit and all the bits and pieces associated with deployment. In all, this adds up to about 150kg in the back of the D4 loaded level to the windows and right up to the front seat backs. Profligate enough I reckon. So counting us, we have approx 3 tons at the front pulling 2 at the back. Comfortably and with a good safety margin.

 

GB.

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Vanmaster Man
Jun 09 2017 04:37 pm

My van has an AlKo 2500kg chassis which I load to 2350kg but gives me 150kg of "space" should I wish to buy some wine for example. I bought the van because it had a huge payload choice. I could have specced a 2200 or 2300kg chassis. I was disappointed with the payloads on offer almost everywhere else. I have AWD movers, Oyster satellite dish, self levelling and A/C fitted and the van tips the scales at 2050kg ex works. I carry a sunshade for my summer trips in Europe as I never need the front and sides in the high temperatures of southern France or Italy. I carry it in the van, along with everything else caravan, it goes in the van. My car is almost empty apart from a few car things. I can't bear rattles which is why the wine goes in the van. Is your Isabella 420 a Transit? That's what I have and find it absolutely brilliant. I can have just the roof panel up in five minutes on my own.

No. It's the traditional nuclear hard version which I am very fond of although the whole shooting match weighs 47kg. It has earned it's salt in several inclement British summers.
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Vanmaster Man
Jun 11 2017 05:57 am

I must admit when I purchased mine originally, I bought just the roof panel. I bought the front and sides for my dear old mum who was coming with us to the Midi Pyrenees. She never used it and stayed in the van. Having paid £600 for the panels I realised the two poles which held the sides against the van with some soft pads were needed so checked out the prices. Turned out to be £160!!!!! As you can guess, I wasn't happy for two poles at that price but they were needed and do match the rest of the awning. Grrrrr!